Abortion: Politically Dead Issue?

By Richard Okelberry (Note: This essay was originally published at KVNU’s, For the People Blog.)

During the last election cycle a curious stance against Abortion was making its round through conservative circles.  Some were advising fellow conservatives that Abortion was essentially a dead issue because the chance that the Supreme Court would ever overturn Roe vs. Wade was highly unlikely.  Therefore, Conservatives were advising other fellow Conservatives that Abortion as an issue was dead and should not be used as contributing factor when deciding how to use your vote.  Well, it appears that those who supported this argument and would have us believe this issue is dead were themselves dead wrong.

Last week, in one of his first executive orders, Barack Obama lifted the ban on federal funding for international groups that perform abortions.  In essence, we will now be spending federal dollars to help pay for the promotion and eradication of unwanted children worldwide.  While expected by many groups who lobbied for the change, it seems just a little ironic that Obama who ran on a platform that called for reductions in overall abortions would first days in office immediately reverse a ban that effectively helped fulfill his promise.  Maybe Obama decided that by funding abortions in third world countries, he would help further his Green Agenda by helping to control world populations.  Ultimately, can anyone honestly argue that providing funding for abortions will ever reduce the number of abortions performed?

Regardless, one thing is certain; while it may be unlikely that the Supreme Court will ever confer human rights on a viable child in the womb, the issue of abortion is not dead.  Failing to support candidates that oppose abortion eventually leads to legislation that makes the procedure more and more readily available and common.  Even abortion advocate will often claim that “nobody likes abortion,” yet these same advocates don’t seem willing to stop promoting and funding abortion until it is free and easy for everyone on demand as a lifestyle choice rather than one of pure medical necessity.  As such it appears that abortion rates will never truly diminish without constant and consistent opposition to candidates that refuse to recognized the need to give human rights to the unborn.

Finally, if you voted for Obama and hold the belief that abortion is wrong or at least should be rare, you personally need to begin accepting responsibility for every child that is discarded as a result of this executive order.   After all, you voted for this decision and you are now making all of us pay for it!

Clinton Lied and People Died!

By Richard Okelberry (Note: This essay was originally published at KVNU’s, For the People Blog.)

I wanted to share this video from the 1998 State of the Union Address by Bill Clinton.  Close your eyes for just a moment and it’s not hard to imagine that Bush is delivering this speech.  For those of you that still believe that Bush was just making up Intelligence and lying about Iraq to get us to go to war, we all need to remember that it was the Clinton Administration that handed the Bush administration the belief that Iraq was a serious threat.  Following 9/11, this belief was simply too much for us to ignore.

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I would also like to point out that it was Bill Clinton that signed the Iraqi Liberation Act which by law made it the policy of the United States to over throw the Saddam regime.  In support of signing this act, President Clinton said in February 1998:

“Iraq admitted, among other things, an offensive biological warfare capability, notably, 5,000 gallons of botulinum, which causes botulism; 2,000 gallons of anthrax; 25 biological-filled Scud warheads; and 157 aerial bombs. And I might say UNSCOM inspectors believe that Iraq has actually greatly understated its production…. Over the past few months, as [the weapons inspectors] have come closer and closer to rooting out Iraq’s remaining nuclear capacity, Saddam has undertaken yet another gambit to thwart their ambitions by imposing debilitating conditions on the inspectors and declaring key sites which have still not been inspected off limits….

…It is obvious that there is an attempt here, based on the whole history of this operation since 1991, to protect whatever remains of his capacity to produce weapons of mass destruction, the missiles to deliver them, and the feed stocks necessary to produce them. The UNSCOM inspectors believe that Iraq still has stockpiles of chemical and biological munitions, a small force of Scud-type missiles, and the capacity to restart quickly its production program and build many, many more weapons….

…Now, let’s imagine the future. What if he fails to comply and we fail to act, or we take some ambiguous third route, which gives him yet more opportunities to develop this program of weapons of mass destruction and continue to press for the release of the sanctions and continue to ignore the solemn commitments that he made? Well, he will conclude that the international community has lost its will. He will then conclude that he can go right on and do more to rebuild an arsenal of devastating destruction. And some day, some way, I guarantee you he’ll use the arsenal….” President Clinton ~ 1998

We now know that none of this was true.  It seems now that CLINTON LIED and PEOPLE DIED!  Right?

Introducing President Nancy Pelosi!

By Richard Okelberry (Note: This Essay was originally published at KVNU’s, For the People Blog.) 

This is the kind of thing Bloggers live for. As many of you know, when Barack Obama took the Presidential Oath yesterday there was a slight hiccup. Rather than reciting the oath as it was written in the U.S. Constitution, Chief Justice John Roberts had Barack Obama say, “execute the Office of the President of the United States faithfully,” when he should have said “faithfully execute the Office of the United States”

“…Constitution law professors said that taking the oath again would be wise, though it was not strictly speaking necessary. “Out of a superabundance of caution, perhaps he should do it again,” Akhil Reed Amar, of Yale University, told the Washington Post.

“He should probably take the oath again,” said Jonathan Turley of George Washington University. “If he doesn’t, there are going to be people who for the next four years are going to argue that he didn’t meet the constitutional standard.”

Chester Arthur, in 1881, and Calvin Coolidge, in 1923, both repeated the oath privately because of similar mistakes… “– Telegraph.co.uk

While this may seem like a simple mistake that is not worth even discussing, many constitutional scholars are arguing that this might well be a bigger deal that any of us expect and might lead to legal challenges of every order given by Obama, including even his recent order to close GITMO in Cuba. Additionally, it is now even questionable whether Obama could authorize the U.S. to use its nuclear arsenal or command the military in defense of the country. Of course this blip will likely be simply remedied if it hasn’t been already by simply having him retake the oath; it begs the question of who then is our current president.

Because George W. Bush cannot serve beyond his constitutional 2 terms the presidency will fall to either Joe Biden or Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi. While it is likely the presidency falls to Joe Biden since he was sworn in just prior to Obama, there is a possibility that the job falls to the Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi.

I am voting for Nancy Pelosi because it would mean that in short order we not only get our first black president but also our first woman president. While this debate doesn’t really mean much in the greater scheme of things, it sure has put an interesting twist on the beginning of this historic 45th presidency.

14 comments to Introducing President Nancy Pelosi!

January 21st, 2009 at 2:00 pm ·

Hmmm, I heard that he took the actual oath of office in private, and that one was just ceremonial.

January 21st, 2009 at 2:14 pm ·

P.S. It’s spelled “Barack”, not “Barrack”.

January 21st, 2009 at 2:24 pm ·

Sorry, Misty… I wrote this quickly before having to take my daughter to school. I’ll correct it.

I could see how, because this happened twice before, they might do it right afterward again, just to be sure… But I’d hate to think all those people sitting on the mall were just watching a Milli Vanilli moment.

  • rmwarnick

January 21st, 2009 at 3:28 pm ·

R.O. is apparently not familiar with the Constitution.

20th Amendment:

“The terms of the President and Vice President shall end at noon on the 20th day of January, …and the terms of their successors shall then begin.”

So, let’s review. Massive violations of the Constitution by George W. Bush– not a problem? Imaginary violation of the Constitution by President Barack Obama– a big deal?

January 21st, 2009 at 4:06 pm ·

Geez, RM, must everything become a screed? This post is clearly lighthearted.

January 21st, 2009 at 6:21 pm ·

It ok Craig… I’m used to it from Mr. Warnick.

If we want to be technical, a strong argument could be made that by not take the proper oath the President never became “qualified” for office since the oath is constitutionally mandated. Which means that someone could make a constitutional challenge until Obama retakes the oath because the 20th Amendment does not specifically remove the oath of office as a qualification for office.

This is why twice before, presidents have retaken the oath, just in case. Of course maybe those two presidents should have just taken your advice and used only section 1 of the 20th Amendment and ignored the constitutional scholars that advised them to retake their oaths.

“While it’s apparently true that Obama became president at the stroke of noon yesterday and didn’t need to say the oath to take office, the Constitution specifies that the incoming president say the oath as written before he or she can execute the powers of the office. The presidential oath of office is required of a new president before he can execute his powers, and the Constitution is clear that its 35 words must be spoken exactly.” – Wall Street Journal

So he’s president but just can’t do what presidents are elected to do. Right? I’m with you Richard, perhaps it would be better if Obama doesn’t retake the oath. Then we could have 4 years of conservatives claiming that Obama is illegitimate the way liberals did for 8 with Bush. Can anyone say RECOUNT!

I’m surprised you have yet to argue that Roberts did this on purpose, Richard. You really need to lighten up a bit.

January 21st, 2009 at 6:38 pm ·

This is good, though. We have a backup option in case that whole Obama citizenship thing doesn’t pan out.

January 21st, 2009 at 6:45 pm ·

obama retook the oath: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28780417/?gt1=42003

craig and rich, i wonder if you would be so hip on this if roberts had flubbed this for mccain.

tongue in cheek, of course…

January 21st, 2009 at 6:49 pm ·

I speak on behalf of all the rednecks that have been purchasing ammo and guns in a panic since november
In yelling AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! at the thought of nancy pelosi as president of these here states of america
at least she would give us a target for all are new ammo
wowo chills rich at that thought

January 21st, 2009 at 10:41 pm ·

Sorry Plowking,

The Pelosi thing was really just a bit of comic relief. I personally think he should have made a big show of re-taking the oath. Maybe he could have invited the 50,000 people stuck in the tunnel with Tyler holding their tickets.

Richard Warnick,

If I was so wrong about the potential constitutional significance, why do you think Obama re-took the oath?

Jess,

This was just a hiccup. It wouldn’t have bothered me either way. Personally, I didn’t really care much for McCain. Even if I had, we all need a sense of humor about such things. Would it make you feel any better if I said Cheney looked like the Penguin from Batman? (It took me years to place the face… It was on that day that I finally put it together.)

  • rmwarnick

January 22nd, 2009 at 8:53 am ·

I doubt if this was a GOP plot. Chief Justice Roberts was simply carrying on in the grand tradition of Bush appointee incompetence.

President Obama re-took the oath out of respect for tradition, and to give the Chief Justice a chance to redeem himself.

January 22nd, 2009 at 9:21 am ·

Richard Warnick,

Hmmm… I have yet to hear that explanation from a single reliable news source. Even NPR has been reporting that he retook the oath out of an abundance of caution. Do you have some inside source that you are not telling us about?

BTW: when you say you doubt that this was a GOP plot, does that mean you refuse to rule it out?

  • rmwarnick

January 22nd, 2009 at 9:55 am ·

You asked for my opinion. I told you.

January 22nd, 2009 at 6:19 pm ·

the pot thickens it has actuly been given 3 times now because the secound time it was not given with the bible. and so to way in on the side of caution it was given a 3 rd time. So abc radio news is reporting. Rich i cant believe how this total joke of a hickup has became such a feasco. And does the constitution state that it has to be done on the bible i didnt know that. I do now that the one Muslim who was sworn in to congress did it on Thomas Jeffersons Quran I thought that was awsome anyways gess it just shows how rediculas are lives have become the way this has been so heated instead of just laughed at
Still Polosi man chills, Just hearing her voice makes me quiver its like the naging ex wife that wont go away

Bush Lied and People Died, Right?

Come on now, we all know that Bush lied about weapons of mass destruction, right?  I mean Bush told us over and over again that there were Weapons of Mass Destruction leading up to the war, but did they ever find any?  No!!!  Even Rachel Maddow and Keith Olbermann of MSNBC (see video below) have confirmed that Bush lied, so it must be true, right?  Well, what would you think if I told you there is no direct evidence supporting the charge that Bush purposely told a single lie leading up to the War in Iraq?

 

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While it is certainly true that most of the information given by the Bush Administration leading to the war may have ended up not being true, that is not evidence of a conspiracy to lie and deceive.  Most that support the lie conspiracy rely heavily on a database of “false statements” put together by The Center for Public Integrity that claims the Bush Administration deceived the American people and Congress a whopping 935 times. 

 

You see, when people hear that something is a “false statement” they instantly assume that the statement is a lie.  In reality, a false statement can be false while still not being a lie so it would be more appropriate to call these “inaccurate statements.”  Let me explain:  When Bill Clinton told the country that he didn’t have any sexual relations with Monica Lewinski, we all know now that he was lying, but when his staff went before the major news outlet and repeated this lie, they were not lying because they believed that what President Clinton had told them was the truth.  For the Center for Public Integrity, Rachel Maddow, Keith Olbermann or anyone else to claim that Bush lied directly about WMDs prior to the war they must first have evidence that he knew what he was saying was false.   No such evidence has yet been found to date.

 

Even when Olbermann and Maddow discuss this very point on MSNBC Maddow claims that the proof lies in the fact that there were critical spikes in the release of information at crucial times leading to the war saying, “at certain times they were lying a lot faster.”  So are we to believe that the increase effort to convince Congress that Iraq posed a threat based on long standing evidence not just from our intelligence communities but from our allies is somehow evidence of purposeful deceit?  This kind of thinking defies all logic.  Simply because the Bush administration was able to coordinate a campaign to inform both Congress and the American People about something they believed to be true at crucial moments in the political process is not and never will be evidence of lying.  It is only evidence of a skillful politician who knows how to make his points for the greatest effect.  If this way of thinking were true, anytime any president of either political party used the Bully Pulpit when pushing an agenda it would be considered a lie.

 
 

The Challenge:

 After searching long and hard through news articles and various web sites for direct evidence that the Bush administration knowingly lied or manufactured evidence, I have yet to find a single thread of concrete evidence to support this claim.  In frustration I began turning to true believers of the Bush lied conspiracy theory on left wing blogs asking for that single definable piece of evidence against Bush.  I felt that surely if anyone would have a solid example to support the lie theory a true believer would know where to look. 

To this end I challenged Becky Stauffer, one of the contributors at the left wing website OneUtah.org.  Becky recently wrote in one of her essays, “Bush proves Lincoln’s words that you can’t fool all of the people all of the time. Sooner or later the lies catch up with you. Future presidents be warned.”  I challenged her to give me the one single “lie” from The Center for Public Integrity’s 935 false statements that she felt was an irrefutable example of Bush telling a lie.  She selected the following:

 

“In an interview with Polish television on May 29, 2003, President Bush stated: “We found the weapons of mass destruction.” Bush was referencing two trailers or “mobile labs” discovered in Iraq.
Just days earlier, the Defense Intelligence Agency had concluded that the trailers “could not be used as a transportable biological production system as the system is presently configured.” It was ultimately acknowledged that the trailers had nothing to do with weapons of mass destruction and were probably used to manufacture hydrogen employed in weather balloons.” – The Center for Public Integrity
   

  

I expected Becky Stauffer to give me a quote from prior to the war to support the idea that Bush lied to get us into Iraq in the first place.  Therefore, I will also address the claims by the Bush administration that Iraq had Mobile Biological Weapons labs prior to the war as well since it is also widely considered a lie by the Bush administration.  Please consider that Becky Stauffer a True Believer of the Bush Lied Conspiracy and as someone who claims to have, “read considerably on the subject,” believes that this is the best example of a bold faced lie on the part of Bush.

 

Facts, Logic & Reality

First, we must go back to where the U.S. intelligence community first learned of the mobile biological weapons labs.  It was not some made up piece of intelligence on the part of Bush or his staff.  In fact the information about these weapons labs came from several sources.  The primary source was known to the CIA as Curveball or Rafid Ahmed Alwan.  He was an Iraq defector who claimed that he worked as a chemical engineer at a plant where these supposed weapons labs were manufactured.  While the German FIS warned about Curveball’s reliability, the CIA felt that because they had several other sources collaborating the information that it was likely accurate.

In fact, after Colin Powell demanded multiple sources on this subject he was told by CIA director George Tenant and deputy director John McLaughlin that they had multiple eye witnesses and stated, “This is it, Mr. Secretary.  You can’t doubt this one.”  While we know now that the weapons labs never materialized, it is completely understandable how the Bush administration would trust such information coming from their top intelligence chiefs.  Incidentally, Curveball was never actually interviewed by U.S. Intelligence agents a failure of the CIA not Bush himself. 

If there was any deception here it certainly began with Curveball and was passed onto the President as reliable information.  We have no direct evidence that Bush knew that the case for the biolabs was shaky since the CIA ultimately provided 4 separate sources.  There is no expectation that Bush knew this information was false and therefore it would have been impossible for him or is administration to have lied about these alleged mobile weapons labs prior to the war. 

Now on to what appears to be a more damning example of Bush lying about WMDs in Iraq.  The stated example above by Becky Stauffer is listed as a key Overview Point by the Center for Public Integrity in their report, “The War Card, Orchestrated Deception on the Path to War.”  Please notice again that because the following statement by Bush was made well after the war had begun that it could not be considered an Orchestrated Deception on the Path to War as the title of the article suggests.  It seems that maybe the Center for Public Integrity should be first concerned with their own integrity and what appear to be its own deceptive practices. 

First, President Bush did say on May 29th, 2003

We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories. You remember when Colin Powell stood up in front of the world, and he said, Iraq has got laboratories, mobile labs to build biological weapons. They’re illegal. They’re against the United Nations resolutions, and we’ve so far discovered two. And we’ll find more weapons as time goes on. But for those who say we haven’t found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they’re wrong, we found them.” – George W. Bush

After the discovery of the suspected mobile weapons labs, the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) dispatched a team of scientists to determine whether these trailers were truly the alleged biolabs as initially reported by the Iraqi Survey Group who was in charge of searching for WMDs in Iraq.  Two days before Bush made his public statement about the biolabs these scientists release an “initial action report” stating that it was believed that the trailers were not the suspected labs.  It should be noted that an Initial Action Report is not a conclusive finding but an initial first hand impression.  

While this may sound damning at first we must also understand that the undisclosed high ranking DIA official that broke this story in the Washington Post denied knowing if the information ever reach the President when he said, “Whether the information was offered to others in the political realm I cannot say,”  The final, more conclusive report titled Final Technical Engineering Exploitation Report on Iraqi Suspected Biological Weapons-Associated Trailers, wasn’t finished until September of 2004, well after Bush had made his initial declaration. 

The fact is that there is no evidence that the President ever saw the initial action report prior to making his statement concerning these labs because the report was said to have been “shelved” or “incorporated” into the overall work of the Iraqi Survey Group.  Now for those of you that are convinced without evidence that Bush did see the action report, let’s apply a little logic for a moment.   

If Bush had seen the report and truly believed that these trailers were not the suspected biolabs, why would he ever even consider telling the world that they were?  Are critics and supporters of the orchestrated deception conspiracy trying to say that a man who is brilliant enough to orchestrate a huge deception campaign filled with unfounded and contrived evidence is  simultaneously not smart enough to recognize the terrible political damage that would be done by stating publically a lie that he knew would be discovered in short order?  This way of thinking just makes no sense. 

It is far more likely that President Bush believed completely the initial reports that they had found the suspected bio-weapons labs and merely jumped the gun on the announcement in his eagerness to be vindicated.  Once the statement was made Bush was put into a position of continually supporting the initial findings until the final report had been concluded.  You see politicians and especially presidents don’t like to admit they were possibly wrong until they absolutely have to. Also, can anyone imagine how difficult it would have been for the Bush to have had to come out with another reversal if the suspected trailers had later been found to be authentic?  The opposition party would have had a field day with such a fiasco.  Even then many in out Intelligence services believed that the trailers may have been scrubbed or re-converted during the build-up to the war in an attempt to hide their true intent.  Regardless, as I have stated before if Bush believed that these were the alleged biolabs it certainly can not be said by any measure of the word that he lied.   

Again, I would like to re-assert that there is no evidence that Bush ever did see the initial briefing making all of this pure conjecture, not fact.  This makes any discussion about Bush possibly lying about the biolabs pure conjecture.

 

Conclusions: What we know vs. What we believe.

 

 

While it certainly could be said that the Bush administration hand picked pieces of evidence against Iraq and even put a greater emphasis on certain pieces, such action is completely understandable considering that Bush and his administration rightfully held the belief that Iraq did have WMDs.  This understanding was not something that was pulled from thin air as critics would suggest but was handed to the Bush Administration by the CIA and the former Clinton Administration who in 1998 used the same sorts of evidence to launch his own attack on Iraq.   

 

“Earlier today, I ordered America’s armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack Iraq’s nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors.

Their purpose is to protect the national interest of the United States, and indeed the interests of people throughout the Middle East and around the world.

Saddam Hussein must not be allowed to threaten his neighbors or the world with nuclear arms, poison gas or biological weapons…

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…The hard fact is that so long as Saddam remains in power, he threatens the well-being of his people, the peace of his region, the security of the world.

The best way to end that threat once and for all is with a new Iraqi government — a government ready to live in peace with its neighbors, a government that respects the rights of its people. Bringing change in Baghdad will take time and effort. We will strengthen our engagement with the full range of Iraqi opposition forces and work with them effectively and prudently.” – Bill Clinton, National Address December 16th, 1998

 

 

As you can see if Bush lied to get us into a war we must also accept that first Clinton lied for the exact same reasons and passed that lie onto the Bush administration.  Not so strangely, the assessment of false statements about WMDs in Iraq from The Center for Public Integrity doesn’t include the bucketfuls of similar statements made by members of the Clinton Administration.

While many critics like to point out that certain extra emphasis was added to some intelligence, expecting the President to make a case contrary to what he believes would be like asking a criminal prosecutor to make a case for the defense.  If the run up to the war were a courtroom drama, the burden of defense would not fall on the President, but to Congress whose leaders had equal access to every piece of intelligence held by our intelligence community.  If there was a failure to scrutinize for contrary information the responsibility for that failure falls square in the laps of Democrats that refuse to do their job by establishing a legitimate opposition.   

Finally, consider that it has become known that not only did Saddam’s own generals believe that Iraq possessed WMDs but one, General Georges Sada claims that the weapons were loaded into civilian aircraft and flown to Syria.  While I am not going to get caught up in debating whether WMDs actually did exist, it is impossible to fathom how we should expect that Bush actually knew there were no WMDs when Saddam’s own generals believed that they existed.

You see, the evidence and basic logic supports the idea that Bush truly did believe as everyone else did that Iraq had WMDs.  In fact it has been widely reported that the entire administration was completely surprised when the weapons were not immediately found.  Why would they have searched so feverishly if they knew they did not exist?  As such, any statement Bush made to that effect could not have been a lie because to be a lie he would have had to know there where no WMDs. 

To this critics respond with accusations that Bush lied about or manufactured specific information, gathered from intelligence agencies.  Still, there is no evidence to suggest that Bush actually did manufacture information, only that he chose to believe as did most on both sides of the isles information from our long trusted intelligence agencies.  Combine this information with the undeniable fact that Saddam for over a decade had refused to allow U.N. weapons inspectors to do their job and you have a recipe for war.  While this may not have been the case if Bush had simply been willing to defy all logic and brush aside the mounds of evidence placed before him against Iraq in a post 9/11 era; truly if Saddam Hussein had simply allowed weapons inspections to go forward there would have been no war.

During police standoffs, negotiators are quick to explain that in a standoff situation the only person who is ever truly in charge of the outcome is the perpetrator.  This is the case with Iraq.  In a post 9/11 era the prospect that WMDs might eventually make their way into the hands or terrorists from Iraq who was already funding terrorism against Israel and training terrorists in bomb making was simply to great for our president to ignore.

While many things may ultimately be said of President Bush, he did keep his country safe in a post 9/11 world.  Let’s hope his successor has the same fortitude and willingness to do the same. 

I would like to close with a few final quotes:

 

“Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it…

 …By the skillful and sustained use of propaganda, one can make a people see even heaven as hell or an extremely wretched life as paradise.” – Adolf Hitler

 

Unfortunately, the lies now are not about Weapons of Mass Destruction but about lying itself!  It is important that each of use are able separate between what we believe may be true and what we know can be proved.  If we fail to do so, civilized society breaks down and the mob takes over.

 

Please Note: For those that would like to see the clearest picture of the events leading to the Iraq War, I invite you to watch the PBS, Frontline Special: Bush’s War.  Whether you are Republican or Democrat you may not like what you see in this documentary but it is likely the closest thing to the Truth that we have to date.